many people, so many of our families came from countries where democracy was lost, institutions were broken. so it's a real concern. >> i disagree with the congresswoman -- i think they know exactly what they're doing. >> some of them do, some of them do. >> here's the truth. if we want to be crystal clear here, not whole punches, they want this political violence. this political violence is how they overturn the rule of law. it's how they create it environment that allows them to keep what they most desperately want. that is power. this is not about the rule of law, it's not about politics, this is about barnacle, unvarnished power katie. they understand the stakes, which is why they're amping up the rhetoric, and engaging in tripling down on lies, to suggest that joe biden is doing this. not a grand jury of south florida, and the ones who said yes to this, not the justice department acting -- even though the attorney general, special counsel brought this case, simply reflecting the very words under