it could be that those communications and the phones are what is really useful here. people are often very unguarded, especially with interviews and encrypted communications. they served the search warrants on the individuals. that suggests to me that they have gotten everything they can from service providers and are now looking at encrypted application communications. that could be a gold mine of evidence. it could suggest people who were involved in the scheme. perhaps things that were handed out by cassidy hutchinson so recently. when we talk about meetings between rudy giuliani, roger stone -- invited guest was mark meadows, who chose to participate by phone on january 5th. his lack of surprise about what seemed to happen on january 6th. pat cipollone is concerned that if we go up to the capital, we will be charged with every crime imaginable. i think they will be looking to put links together to explain all of those unanswered questions. >> connecting the dots there. let me ask you this.