need to win this thing the state. that is ten times, maybe more, but it ten times because we lost by a very close number. >> this committee is hearing last monday, we heard from a senior fellow from -- d.c. -- federal -- b.j. pak, as well as former attorney general bill barr. they both pasta testify that the investigations were thoroughly investigate and had no merit. here is attorney pack. >> -- general barr told him we looked into it and we don't simple things including interview witnesses. i -- listen to the tapes and review to the videotape myself. and that there is nothing there. giuliani was wrong, representing that this was a suitcase full of full of ballots.