constantly having to indulge this -- on december 14th -- it was done, he lost! a ludicrous set of all these people -- bill barr, eugene scalia taking it seriously, for cassidy hutchinson just saying once the fraud thing didn't work out -- it's about keeping him in office. obviously! didn't they have to know? >> there were never real arguments. >> and whenever real arguments are real factual predicaments to all of this. we've had so much testimony, i think it's all truthful testimony to the mountains of labor that is churning for the five weeks afterwards. >> it's not a real argument, there's not a factual basis for him staying in power, it's a pretext. just to see if they can help him support the pretext. >> that's my question. were they -- what did they tell themselves they were doing about all these