things around. the most interesting twist here is that former florida governor, jeb bush, is joining the president here today. does that mean no jeb in 2012? with us for prix and prospeech comments are john highland, national political columnist with new york magazine and msnbc contributor dave weigel. jeb bush, arm in arm with barack obama after saying some harsh things in the past when obama is taking shots at his brother. what do you make of that? >> it's interesting the education reform is one of those issues that to some extent is come to transcend the normal partisan divisions that keep people from being on stage together normally. so you see people -- joan kline, the former school chancellor here was a big fan of jeb bush's. jeb bush is a big fan of arnie duncan's. so on this issue, you can see jeb bush alongside the president happily as you suggested in your intro, it's the case. most political writers like myself believe jeb bush is not going to run in 2012. no political downside standing up to the president in this case. >> going to hear from president obama himself. let's go live to president oh bah many where he's talking to schools. >> we learned that the unemployment rate fell to the lowest level in nearly two years. our economy added another 222,000 jobs in the private sector, that's the 12th straight month of private sector job growth. so our economy has now added 1.5 million private sector jobs over the last year. and that's progress. but we need to keep building on that momentum. and in a world that's more competitive, more connected than ever before, that means that answering some difficult questions. how do we attract new jobs? how do we attract new businesses? how do we attract new industries to our shores? how do we grow our economy and outcompete countries around the world? how do we make sure all of you, all of our students, whether they go to miami central or any place else, how do you make sure that you have a chance at the american dream? that's why i'm here today. that's what i wanted to talk to you about. because in today's economy, companies are making decisions about where to locate and who to hire based on a few key factors. they're looking for faster, more reliable transportation and communications netdworks, like high-speed railroads, high-speed internet. looking for an investment in to innovation and investments in new research where we can have new ideas and discoveries. most of all, the single most important thing companies are looking for? are highly skilled, highly educated workers. that's what -- that's what they're looking for. more than ever before, companies hire where the talent is. now i want all of the young people here to listen. because over the next ten years, nearly half of all new jobs are going to require a level of education that goes beyond a high school degree. so first of all, you can't drop out. you can't even think about dropping out. can't even think about droppi out. not going to be enough to graduate from high school, you need additional edge occasion. a good education equals a good job. if we want more good news on the jobs front, then we've got to make more investments in education. as a nation making these investments, the education in innovation and infrastructure, all of them are essential. now what makes them tough is that we're in a difficult fiscal situation as well. for too long, the government has been spending more than it takes in. so in order to make sure we can keep doing our part to invest in miami central, to invest in your schools, to invest in pell grants, to invest in your education, then we're also going to have to get serious about cutting whatever spending we don't need. so what i've done is i've called for a five-year freeze on annual domestic spending. that freeze would cut the deficit by more than $400 billion over the next decade. and it will bring that kind of spending to a lower share of our economy than has been true for the last 50 years. to achieve those savings, we proposed eliminating 200 federal programs. we're freezing the salaries of hardworking civil servants for the next two years. finding ways to save billions of dollars of tax dollars by selling, for example, 14,000 government properties we don't need anymore. that's just a start. if we're serious about tackling our long-run fiscal challenges, we're going to have to cut excessive spending wherever we find it, defense spending. and spending on entitlementings. spending through tax breaks and loopholings. i'm going to sit down with democrats and republicans to figure out how we can reduce our deficits. but, i want everyone to understand. our job is not just to cut, even as we find ways to cut spending. what we can do is cut back on investments like education that will help us create jobs and work on our economy. >> president obama speaking in florida live on education talking about the deficit cutting needs to do. but he needs to invest in education there with jeb bush in a florida school that's touted as one of the examples of a turnaround. dave wild, dave, what are you making of -- we heard a little bit of the president's remarks but the whole concept of the president being with jeb bush talking schools. >> the president doesn't have a great record with going to florida with a republican governor and getting something done. we tried it early in the presence and he met with crist in florida to talk about the rail funds. that's the one thing that brought down charlie crist. it's rickien thy on the part of president to go to florida for anything. the school runs are tricky to do unless you have a ton of allies. arnie duncan built the turnarounds on chicago. the school he turned around, he lost in a discrimination suit by some of the teachers who were fired but they were replaced by less experienced white teachers. you need -- there's a lot of consensus in washington for this sort of thing. it's tricky implementing it across congress. it's maybe not a great record here of success, working republicans. so this is something you need bipartisan cover on. >> i want to bring you in, john, but let's throw up also -- i want to show data on florida schools. there's a bit of a paradox, i think, if you talk about the progress that florida has made in being touted and it is by wonks and policy observers as an example of some progress. if you look at florida, just compared to a math test scores. there's recent data showing that if you look internationally, florida is way behind the highest-performing school systems like taiwan, hong kong, finland, singapore. and it's also behind countries we don't think about. estonia, lithuania, latvia, and florida below all of those in math but they edge out croatia and bulgaria. >> something to be proud of. >> but if you look at that light, you've got the president and arnie duncan being haled by both sides as being progressive and innovative on education. we're way short of where we need to be. >> you can't measure it against -- the things that arnie duncan and the president are hailed for are starting to make progress on a big challenge. they've been out for two years. we can't blame america's state of educational melees on them. but, look, it does point to the scale of the challenge, which is to say that even the most, best advanced states, the schools that are doing best, are at a huge disadvantage to the rest of the world. it points out the urgency of what -- how far we have to go, how fast we need to get there. and it actually, if we want to talk about this in greater detail, it points out some of the absurdity of some of the things that the president is saying right now. the scale of change and the kinds of investments that would be required to make up the ground that we need to make up, he's not actually proposing nor is anyone else proposing the changes. we're starting to sound like bill clinton in his terms with having abandoned the republican agenda. he was talking about it but not doing it on any kind of grand scale. >> dave, i think john is right. if democrats find themselves in the position to be fiscally responsible and the focus is on long-term budget cutting but they're forls bid the political imperative to say they're doing big things, quote/unquote, to exaggerate and hype what they're doing. the pell grants that the president just mentioned is a favorite example. the president has nudged up pell grants in a tiny way over the last few years, but pell grants cover less as a share of college tuition than they did 35 years ago under richard nixon. what does it say, dave, when the outer limits of the democratic administration's ambition is the same as what they had 30 years ago and nothing equal to get us up to estonia and lithuania. >> it says a lot of circumstances they can adapt to but not control. in terms of education, they can't get a lot more funding. this congress is not going to give them funding for -- to use the terrible phrase they coined and haven't used since then, sputnik moments on education. they can tinker -- what secretary duncan is doing is tinker with the way the grants are awarded and how you prioritize how the money is going to go. let's not treat every school the same way and expect it to get to the level of good test scores by 2014. let's concentrate on turning around the worst ones. that's something that you can do through prioritizing it at the department of education. prioritizing with the states, something you can do with the republicans in a lot of states without shifting a lot of money. so, it's something as john was saying that takes a very long time. i mean, turnarounds don't show results for four or five years. in dc, michelle rhe could point to resultings. they were enough to convince some voters. not enough to fit over the anger of the people who she alienated making the changes. this is something over a long period of time. >> i want to hear from john. what do we do when if the boldest thing the president can call for by sort of common consensus of the folks that are looking at this, the debate is between the 45-yard lines and maybe if obama gets two turns, he'll go between estonia and lithuania, can that be good enough for where we are. >> it can't be. >> how do we change that? >> throw up your hands in despa despair. in truth, you think about -- it's the scale -- the circumstances are such that you can't possibly get there. get the investments we want unless you think outside of paradigms you have to be outside. liberals have to be convinced that the future of the country depends on dealing with the entitlements not because we're ruthless budget cutter bus because they're going to swallow all of the domestic spending, making the country more competitive on basic research and improving education. we have to be able to do that to make ourselves competitive and give a chance to compete in the world if we don't make the changes to the investments and the old people. it's not going to be possible to get there. >> unconventional. thinking all sides will be under requirement, thank you. still here, getting past the hype on today's jobs report. will washington ever think bigger on the crisis we still face? also, football fans are hoping that owners and players won't drop the ball on a deal to save the season. we'll be right back. ever wish vegetables didn't taste so vegetably? well, v8 v-fusion juice gives you a full serving of vegetables, plus a full serving of fruit. but it just tastes like fruit. v8. what's your number? until the combination of three good probiotics in phillips' colon health defended against the bad gas, diarrhea and constipation. ...and? it helped balance her colon. oh, now that's the best part. i love your work. [ female announcer ] phillips' colon health. time to face the pollen that used to make me sneeze. but with zyrtec® liquid gels, i get fast, 24-hour allergy relief. so i feel better by the time we tee off. zyrtec® liquid gels work fast, so i can love the air®. our economy has now added 1.5 million private sector jobs in the last year. and that's progress. but we need to keep building on that momentum. >> president obama just moments ago talking about the big news of the day. we've got employment rate falling to the lowest point in nearly two years. the rate dropping last month to 8.9%, adding 192,000 new jobs. unfortunately, it's not enough to make much of a dent in the nation's big numbers. people are out of work and no longer looking. when you add it all up, the real unemployment rate is closer to 16%. here's the key fact that you need to know. the economy would need to add 360,000 jobs a month over the next three years to get back to 6% unemployment. that's twice the rate of new job creation as last month. 13 million private sector jobs just to get back to what we used to think of as normal, something despite the white house breast beating we're nowhere close to seeing. is the ongoing jobs crisis something we have to accept? is it a hangover from the financial bubbles? or is washington still just thinking too small. joining us with answers is peter marissey, professor of the maryland school of business. he's the chief economist at the international trade commission, and the columnist for reuter's breaking views, so, peter, let me start with you. which is it? is it something we have to be used to from the debt hangover? or is washington thinking way too small? >> washington is thinking way too small. if the president wants to brag on a 1.5 million jobs, that's somebody that's a football coach and he's taking over for a coach that's 1 and 15 and now he's 3 and 13. this economy is capable of adding 500,000 jobs a month with the right kind of policies in washington. we need to have a better tax environment, less regulation. we need to do better on trade with china. we need to start producing all of that oil and gas that america is capable of producing so we're not shoveling so many dollars out the door. >> jim, what do you make of it? the president is touting these figures. >> look -- you sort of allude to that sort of shrunken workforce, all of the people that the government doesn't count anymore. if this workforce, the labor force is as big as it was prerecession, the unemployment rate would not be 8.9%, it would be 12% worse than the great depression. at this pace -- at this pace of job growth, we're likely to have another recession before we get anywhere near full employment. we have to go against the axis of economic evil, too much regulation, too much spending and taxes. >> peter, i want you to react too. we've got a quote i want to put up from congressman jeb hensarling. this is the chairman of the house republican congress has to say. the report demonstrates the resilience of the free enterprise economy instead of the onslaught of the democrat's big government agenda. this is the kind of thing you expect. a pebble drop in the water in washington. everybody reacts in a way that you're predictable, in a partisan way, how do you get past this nonsense. >> nonsense on both sides. look at what they're doing. squabbling over 15% of the budget. spending is up 1.1 trillion in the last four years. and they're arguing over whether they should cut spending $40 billion or $100 billion. they should be able to cut spending by at least half of that $1.1 trillion. the president was bragging today in that high school speech how he was going to cut the deficit by $400 million. it's over ten years. he's talking about $40 million a year. his budget assumes a 4% growth rate and 92% of the deficit reductions are increased taxes. does anyone think that taxes are going to create jobs? >> this administration, listen, talk about the rosy forecast, if interest rates are just one percentage point higher than what they think, all of that $400 billion deficit reduction, it disappears. it's built into this. it's a high-risk gamble this administration is taking. >> if i were benevolent dictator, deep payroll taxes, deep corporate tax cuts, my more liberal friends don't like that because you want to shock the system and lower the cost of labor and create real incentives to hire. and then now when taxes kick in, unemployment is back, 6%. >> can't go with the temporary tax cut, anyway. you're seeing again, you need deep permanent tax cuts and a lot of spending. >> you cut the taxes that affect employment, but you've got to -- >> employment. >> you have to be fiscally responsible. bring in energy and consumption taxes in the long term. >> why? >> because let me hear from peter. >> why do we need those taxes. the government is spending $3.6 trillion a year. but $1.1 trillion is in new spending in the last four years. what did we get for it? not a whole lot. >> we're going to disagree on that, peter. but it shows why i'm not benevolent dictator. unemployment is still 8.9, right? that's good news in washington. but take us forward to september/october of 2012. if unemployment is still 8.5, 8.6, i think most people think you're still talking about well above 8% when obama is running for re-election. let me start with you, jim, can he get re-elected with unemployment that high? >> i think it's possible. you have a very close race at that point. it doesn't really matter who runs the campaign. that's a tossup. the closer it is, the worst it is for obama. below eight, he has a better chance. it's a pickup situation at this point. >> peter, the white house is going to try to make a kind of reag reagan, 1984-stay the course-it's morning in america. he wasn't running close, 8.5% unemployment. can obama get re-elected with unemployment that high? >> he can get re-elected. it's not morning in america, it's midnight. it depends on what the republican message is. they're going to offer the way out. and say tax and deregulate will not resonate from these voters. it won't because they have too many memories of what wall street has done. the candidate will have to have a growth agenda that's credible and believable for the president to lose his job. >> obama didn't win by a landsli landslide. he needs to win by one vote. >> my fear, guys, we're going to have to leave it there for today is we're still going to be in a situation where there's a republican message on jobs and growth. that's the kind of thing karl rove is writing every day in "the wall street journal." there's a message on it. democrats will counter with a message that we made progress. look where we were, hear where we're going. the outer limits of the actual policy ambitions that have the two sides are totally unequal to the magnitude of the problem. thanks very much. thank you for helping us parse today's new numbers. still ahead, the week of charlie sheen? 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>> good to be with you, matt, in the middle of a recession, we passed a half penny sales tax that will generate $40 billion for infrastructure improvement, highway repair, double the size of our rail system. we came up with a plan we call 3010 locally and call america fast forward across the country. and what it will do is incentivize local governments that will put up their own money for infrastructure, provide a loan program that could leverage 30 to 1, accelerate those programs, create jobs now. in our case, we would double the size of our rail system in ten years, create 166,000 jobs, increase transit boardings by 77 million. across the country, we would create 922,000 jobs. and put a lot of people back to work -- about $158 billion in economic output by accelerating the transportation programs. >> what's the barrier then, mayor. you've got the u.s. chamber of commerce, big business is onboard. labor is supporting this. it seems like the kind of creative thinking that would accelerate spending that the people are talking about doing anyway. what's stopping this from going forward? >> well, we're going to have to get a reauthorization bill for transportation that expands the current program which is a transportation loan program. expand it dramatically from the $122 million they spend a year to up to $1 billion a year that would allow us to incentivize the localities to invest in their own infrastructure job, infrastructure projects and create jobs now. there's bipartisan support for the general idea of expanding this loan program. it would also be enhanced with a transportation bond program that doesn't have as broad support yet but both those ideas are ideas that have been percolating and have support among both democrats and republicans. >> and it also seems like, you know, while the numbers sound large, they're pretty small compared to a $3.7 trillion budget when you think about the job impact. let's shift gears a little bit to education. >> and they're all -- remember this, is a lot better -- this isn't essentially incentiveizing localities, cities and counties to put their own money. so at a time of high deficits and debt, you're reducing the amount of money the federal government would have to provide. usually they provide money on an 80/20 basis. now it would be turned around in the other direction. >> important point to note. president obama talking about education today with jeb bush in florida. you've been passionate about education. i've given you counsel a few years ago as you were developing your education blueprint in l.a. was the president there enough? even florida which they're touting as one of the leaders in education reform, if you look at the international comparisons, florida is well behind estonia, lithuania, latvia, you know, when you unpack this stuff, it seems like the outer limits of our ambition, even a progressive leader like obama and his education secretary, arnie duncan, aren't equal to the challenge. >> president obama certainly made education reform a priority. so has secretary duncan. we have a lot of catching up to do. it's not hyperbolic for us to say that america is not competing with some of the developing world when it comes to education, when it comes to producing the mathematicians, the scientists, the engineers. and in our urban schools as you know, if you saw davis guggenheim's movie in "waiting for superman," we have dropout factories where kids are dropping out at 60% and 70%. so the challenge of education reform is the -- is the economy issue of our time, the democracy issue of our time, and the civil rights issue of our time, when you look at the achievement gap and particularly the lack of success among kids of color. i think you're right. the president has been there at the forefront. but, yes, the nation has to get behind this effort on a bipartisan basis. we've got to challenge the status quo. we've really got to put a fire hide it underneath this movement. >> you know, speaking of bipartisan in wisconsin where the labor strife is going on right now, lots of folks trying to cash that as a republican, you know, evil republicans versus democrats being on the side of labor. i know you yourself have been somewhat courageous in saying that the teachers' unions, the biggest -- one of the biggest groups in the democratic party, are part of the problem when it comes to their being a barrier to the kind of reform they need. so even democratic leaders like yourself are saying we need to challenge the unions more. >> first of all, let me say that the governor of wisconsin is trying to do is break the union. and i don't support that. i don't support the idea that we should eliminate collective bargaining. i think we have to change the paradigm. we're going to have to reform our pension systems in municipal governments and state governments across the country. they've got to be sustainable for the next generation of workers. samuel gopers said an injury to one is an injury to all. and we've got to recognize that we can't sustain benefits at these levels. we have to question things that aren't working. when performance isn't coming into accounts at all, when it comes to assignments, transfers, and layoffs in our schools, you have to ask the question, is seniority and tenure working? there is a middle ground where we can find a way to craft a support for collective bargaining for our unions, get due process rights, while at the same time, putting kids first and saying that performance does matter. that every one of us have to acknowledge that when people aren't successful, we ought to be able to take them out of the system after we've provided some level of support. so i don't think it has to be either/or. but it is going to mean our labor partners are going to have to work with us to address some of the outstanding issues. >> mayor antonio viarigosa, innovative voice in l.a. on infrastructure and jobs. thank you for taking your time with us today. >> thank you, matt. >> chris hardball looks whether the main stream candidates will be hurt by the rhetoric of the lunatic fringe. the daily rant on everything we heard this week on charlie schein whether we wanted it to or not. in phillips' colon health defended against the bad gas, diarrhea and constipation. ...and? it helped balance her colon. oh, now that's the best part. i love your work. [ female announcer ] phillips' colon health. you have frequent heartburn, right ? yeah, it flares up a few days a week. well, we're the two active ingredients in zegerid otc. i'm omeprazole, the leading prescription heartburn medicine. and i'm sodium bicarbonate. i protect him from stomach acid so he can get to work. look, guys, i've already tried a lot of stuff. wow. with zegerid otc, you get 24-hour relief. so, this is goodbye heartburn ? gone. finito. zegerid otc. two ingredients... ...one mission. heartburn solved. and more. if you replace 3 tablespoons of sugar a day with splenda® you'll save 100 calories a day. that could help you lose up to 10 pounds in a year. that's how splenda® is sweet...and more. i'm on a drug. it's called charlie sheen. it's not available because if you try it once, you'll die. your face will melt off and your children will weep over your exploded body. too much? >> it's time for our daily rant. today we welcome our friend terea who has the hard wouls task of giving a fresh take on charlie sheen. the floor is yours. >> the reality show has been airing on several networks. we should call it "apocalypse me" which is what he's going to name his memoir. it's a shock. if you want to see a hyper arrogant hollywood star in the midst of a manic delusion spewing the thoughts of a looney add dick, you can. >> the war is they're trying to destroy my family. so i take great humbrage with that. defeat is not an option. they pick add fight with a warlock. >> he got canned and telling his bosses to kiss his butt, a fired worker's fantasy, you can. >> everybody thinks i should beg for my job back. and i should forewarn them that it's everyone else begging me for their job backs. >> a rock star with two live-in important star girlfriends and shrugged off a job he got paid $1 million a week, you can see that too. >> i'm tired of pretending i'm not special. people can't process me. i don't expect them to. you can't process me with a normal brain. >> you think he's clean as his drug test is, or he's manifesting addict behavior as our eyes or ears tell us, and you can see a man who walter kern called the secret superhero of the id, the king of the principal living out the male dream of hedonism, important stars partying far harder than a rock star, ignoring reality as it zooms on by. superior to sheen as you watch the train wreck, or you can admire him which is easy if you're a young man. we've seen bizarre celebrity meltdowns recently, from tiger to lohan. what makes charlie is so much fun is the meat of it is happening on stage. all of the good stuff is happening in front of cameras. this is media performance story. does anyone really care why cbs and chuck lorre decided to stop the show and whether or not "two and a half men" gets back to production? the media world has no big stakes. the show had big ratings but is one of those shows people are living for. john hamm versus matthew michels or tina fey and lorne michaels over the future of "30 rock." people would be begging them and i'd be with them. was "two and a half men" ever this good? no. like a great movie, there's a mystery to uncloak. what's the tipping point? what was the thing that made lorre and cbs say we're in the middle of a season of a show that rakes in $150 million a year, we must stop immediately. sheen was long known to be a wild drug gi, hollywood has long been known to give stars the means to ruin their live ifs they're bringing in an audience. what made cbs decide they had to walk away from this cash cow immediately. did cbs act altruistically? no, they're acting selfishly here. so what was it that made $150 million not enough to keep going? for all of the interviews sheen's done? we still don't know. charlie talks so much and said so little. >> bravo. i think you hit a very high bar with the best commentary on this of the week here on the "dylan ratigan" show. i'm in the car driving my 13-year-old daughter to school when we heard the sound bite i'm tired of pretending that i'm not someone special. she did a double take. it's a teaching moment. but somewhere in there is a human being who, you know, underneath all of the bravado, there's got to be suffering. you think of martin sheen's reaction, what do we make of the human loss somewhere inside this? >> i don't know. i don't see this as a human being anymore. it seems we're rubbed away by years and years of hedonistic behavior. he seems to reject his father's counsel and sort of just not be in touch with reality and not seeming to care and this -- when he says winning, he's talking about a situation in which he's losing. so he's completely divorced from reality. it's a bit weird and scary sometimes. >> yet, ten seconds, i've got twitter envy.