desantis was at 12. in the last few weeks they've been tied, and a lot of times desantis was up. meanwhile, ron desantis is almost ignoring her. >> james, you've got to remember, when desantis has a polls finish, let's just say a 10, you have to then remember it's on top of the lifted boots, right? so it's really -- it's a desantis shoe joke. >> oh, i see, yes. >> there it is. >> i know. you almost tripped over me yesterday. i was running about chris christie, and all my colleagues wanted to know, what shoes does he wear. >> we deal with such serious stuff, we had fun.