to keep thinking about that. anything that got close to the convention come he's try to delay every case as much as possible so he is the one that brought it colliding with a campaign season, as much as anyone else pick so it really is a time as you mentioned, and you mentioned mccarthyism, autocratic challenges, other challenges we've had. ask anyone from a marginalized community and ask minorities and women about how the legal system works and how it is to up date itself with mores in modern equality so it's not the first time we've seen this but it is beating back his effort to exempt himself. douglas and molly, thank you for kicking us off on a special. i want to tell folks what's coming up. as you may have seen on your screen, bob woodward is a special guest tonight. he is not done many interviews recently. he's not one to speak out much during open new story or trial but he is our special guest here tonight. the watergate icon and he will talk about the first president