intent that's required to establish some of these criminal statutes beyond a reasonable doubt. i >> just want to say, in fairness, when you are emphasizing is, one, sometimes it's hard to prove the criminal intent, or two, you do have the case -- there's a lot of evidence that hits people like eastman, behind it -- >> yes. >> but for prudential reasons, you don't go to the -- you have a hard decision to, make i think people have heard you -- i want to give you time for, it you said, while the zeroes and with this plot, there are other opened efforts to have normalized cues in court. explain. >> so the arrow -- the green arrow that we talked about, the lawsuits which stopper briefly when the courts dismissed these lawsuits as frivolous, i think that's a really important part. these lawsuits, and i'm thinking particularly of the lawsuit launched by texas ag ken paxton, really advance this theory called the independence legislature theory. the idea that states like pennsylvania had allowed these