more plausible deniable could win back some of the old school republicans who left the party during the trump years. so it is not that people have given up on trumpism. it is just if they want to retake power there are a couple of different paths forward. >> it is interesting to me that if you, as you said you look at the numbers, and part of the move away is there is a portion of the republican party that is intensifying, more maga and not less and there are people that are mess interested in that. if your a democrat and looking at that polling what, does it tell you about how you peel off some of the those people who are becoming disillusioned with trump. not because they're more radical, but because just over it. >> i don't know that it lays out any one path. because during the trump years, the democratic party was able to win over a lot of sort of suburban white-collar former