illegitimate president. i understand, michelle, the perceived need to reach out to the maga base. that seems like an unnecessary step too far, right. to go after bide an in that way. is that really what is necessary for republicans to win at this point? >> i don't know if it is what is necessary tor republicans to win but i think that it is what a big part of the base wants to hear. and what we're asking here, i think, is how big of a party the base, not just wanted to hear that, but really needs to hear that. and i think the outcome of the primaries will tell us that. >> michelle, i mentioned oath keepers stewart rhodes getting radicalized and we spoke to his ex-wife last night. they started at this libertarian cigar club for men and get together and talk about libertarianism, and it becomes the oath keepers, is he a