credible that he would have thought that he would have been the only word accepted on his own role in this. it is, as you said, totally standard practice to triangulate, to get one witness to say one thing, you don't take their opinion. you check everybody else who might have been part of the same meeting or you check anybody else who might have a copy of the same record. we certainly did it during watergate. i have done it in every single trial i have ever been a part of because that's the only way you can get to the truth. and it's like richard nixon saying, just take my word for what the tapes say. i'm going to give you a transcript. well, no, that's not evidence. and you don't take the word for what the tapes say. you listen to the tapes themselves. and that's the same thing here. getting phone records is completely ordinary, routine investigative practice. and this is just what i predicted in the beginning was