committed to supporting. they were the two who had the least to say about their commitment to to it. >> if the president comes out and saying we're basically done as i noted, flipping into past tense and they were in the meetings, do you believe they have a meeting of the minds with the two senators or this is their style, the oracle style or possible there is some daylight? >> it's possible there is some daylight here. manchin, because he says so much and has been so public on this, i think would have a harder time walking away from this package entirely. he's committed and his colleagues have been working him so hard. sinema i have much less of a read on if i'm completely honest with you. she is an enigma. she behaves differently than when she was a house member, much more challenging to read what her level of commitment is or isn't to doing any of these things. >> garrett, be completely honest, i would say. >> i'm trying. >> michelle, your thoughts?