whether you're applying a different standard between presidents? >> it began with actual perjury and we believe intimidation of witnesses in a judicial proceeding. that's another question. what president clinton had to face was a civil action, civil rights action and he had to be honest. he had to settle the case which he should have done or conduct himself lawfully which he didn't. i don't think anyone disputes he committed perjury and here was the crescendo, what we reached, and this was with the complete agreement of the ledgendary at the time, sam dash, now departed who was in the watergate episode as a special counsel to senator sam. all of this led up to abuse of