but because they have boycotted the intelligence committee hearings, there's still small details about how the plot went down. not the substance of the plot itself but some small details that have yet to be filled in. so this fills in one more of those details. that two of the republican defenses have been both what trump toads gordon sondland "no quid pro quo" and that aids was eventually released. so no harm, no foul and this was an ordinary process that happens all the time. and this reporting punctures both of those. if you've been accused of a quid pro quo, then-you defensively say no quid pro quo, it's not evidence of a clear conscience. >> right. and margaret, on this program last night we-a leading washington conservative defending the president saying well, they got the money anyway. it would seem the question is why did they get the money?