believe it feel like it's just too unbelievable or too counter to u.s. national security interests, which is something a lot of people across the spectrum tend to care about. they don't really want to hear about or believe that the president is actively working for foreign interests or self-interests above our security because our men and women fight and die for that. with that in mind, take a look at one of the fox news arguments we've been hearing, david. i showed one person who had moved around. here's a guest on fox. take a look. >> should they have been asked to investigate the bidens for violations of ukrainian law? no. should the aid have been dragged out after congress passed it and the president signed legislation to give it to them? no. but at the end, i think their best dechfense is going to be n harm, no foul. >> what do you think of that? give credit where it's due. that's a former prosecutor. you know andy. tucker carlson wrote a piece early on that said this stuff actually is bad.