maybe they were clintons of rudy. you would have to ask rudy. i just don't know. >> it's one thing to look at these pictures. it's another thing to see that the president actually thanked them for coming and being part of celebrating his cause, so to speak. it really, these revelations narrow the distance from the president. he is no longer at arm's length. >> oh, no. i think you're going to see lat of president trump disowning or trying to distance himself from not just those folks, but also potentially from mayor rudy giuliani. and that's what happens here. the president really doesn't have that many options left. and i think the walls are closing in, especially on rudy giuliani. and the kind of defense that one can offer becomes more and more fantastical, as we have irrefutable evidence. and we actually have white house advisers who are coming out and admitting to some of the conduct that the administration has been accused of. >> like the acting chief of staff? >> like the acting chief of staff. the photos don't lie.