>> that's right. >> you were with him up until the day he was fired. >> that's right. >> what the heck is rudy giuliani doing in your expert view? >> as i listen to him that clip, spinning in circles i can't help but look back at this campaign attack that under way saying they were making things up in russia investigation. there was no collusion and here we are in 2019 preparing for another election and he's admitting admit ing on national television they are asking a foreign government to investigate a political opponent. look at the criticism and ask was that warranted when they were doing the same thing they were accused of in the past. i as look at rudy giuliani, it's easier to say he's a former statesmen who turned into a caricature if you look back at his handling, his job was to inoculate the president to get things out there to take away the shock factor. i suspect that may be at play here.