our country was facing, because in reality, he's using the national security apparatus, really, for his own, personal gain. and that's how, highly problematic. i worked under two, three different presidents, and none of them were using the national security apparatus like that. and that becomes a problem, when you are utilizing it for your own personal gain, own personal needs, or your own personal ventana's vendettas to settle. >> right, over these past 20 months, two things seem clear, top of cooperating, not true. and yet, they continue to be a level of difference to the former president, that other americans, of, course would never have been given. do you agree, knowing what you know now, about all of this is been handled? >> so they have come down, sooner, harder? yes, it's astonishing. just in broad strokes, alicia, it takes a year for them to just know he discarded stuff away, but they think it's just the kim john young, love letter,