>> but charles, for the average person out there, do i have this right? trump's immunity claim is basically not that he is innocent of any of these things he's charged with, but as long as he's not impeached, or convicted, he's allowed to do criminal stuff? isn't that what he is saying? >> that is exactly correct, stephanie. that is where i think that his attorneys made an incredible mistake. by trying to make this an issue of separation of powers, you created a space where you want this president to do basically anything that he wants when he's in office, then you leave it up to a political question as to whether congress will actually impeach or remove him. and then, i think when that came out during the hearing on tuesday, the judge asked him about using seal team six to assassinate a political rival. and what the implications of that would be. these attorneys have not paid