information sphere and on the media. by this point, this isn't happening today, this isn't a new development, this has been slowly happening for the last 22 years. and older people, people who watch tv who trust the state, who trust the television and what is said to them from the screen, they believe this stuff. they have been hearing this for the last eight years at least. so i think a lot of them do believe it unfortunately. >> then how essential is it for kremlin propaganda, that now you have far right media outlets here in the united states pushing these lies. and they are able to clip these tv segments and put them on their air, and say to the russians look, even the americans are saying it. >> that's right, it's very important, and again this is also the logical conclusion of what we started seeing in 2016. when you had the american right