experts. peter baker chief white house correspondent for the new york times. -- and michael mcfaul, former u.s. ambassador to russia and an msnbc international affairs analyst. >> tom, what sticks out to you tonight and what we're learning about this nuclear plant? >> one of the things that is very striking to me is the a certitude that a lot of people have that the attention was to destroy, it somehow. my guess is they're trying to capture that part of the great. shut off the electricity. people have to remember that if there were a disaster at this plant, most of it would blow into russia. because of the way the winds blow. so, once again. the thing i'm struck by is the recklessness and incompetence of the russians in this iron fisted attempt to seize ukraine and to intimidate its people. i do not think at this point, i