but i don't think those kind of policies you could still get returns. i don't think they're going to change anybody over. but ultimately the onus is going to be on joe biden. people don't want to go back to normal. they don't want to go back to 2019. they want to go back to the freedom of 2019 with the flexibility that some of us have discovered during this pandemic. so to the degree that the federal government and the democrats have come to with a message, you know what, those of you want to stay at home, i understand. those of you who want to go out, i understand. those of you want to get vaccinated, i understand. it's a much more complicated message but it's one that they have to have. because they have to get the people behind them to say, the vaccine doesn't exist, but we still want to get those free vaccines when they're available, . >> tim, i first met you when you were working for jab. what if i told you to wait a few warriors and i'm here to tell you that your political party will someday be anti vaccine? would you believe me? >> it was the berkley crowd