executive privilege argument, that at least the attorneys must know hold no water, but it seems clear, especially with the number the committee has investigated that this is going to be a fulsome, thorough kpfgs -- examination. >> joyce, back to the judge's comments. what meaning did you attach to her words when federal judges appointed for life speak? it's important we pay attention. and also, if i can, a second part. what do you make of the importance of a second new york grand jury? >> well, i think the judge was very clear when she spoke in this case indicating that ultimately there was a balancing test that had to happen in this