jason miller talking to trump who was calling from the white house updating them on pence saying pence is very arrogant and he's not moving and they make a decision late at night to issue a statement saying pence is in total agreement with trump, moving the election to the white house even though pence is not. this is about trump and bannon and rudy giuliani coordinating an effort to overturn an election and prevent biden from taking office. >> phil rucker, i know you recall all too well the presidency of donald trump that you covered, let's say this white house and doj do not enjoy the same symbiotic relationship as if doj have moved into the west wing for a time there. how does the white house handle this going forward? >> well, byline, this is an administration, the biden administration that's trying to stick to the traditional norms, the traditional independence