you to give the democrats who are watching the answer they may not want to hear. to the question, how long could the ban in matter conceivably dry out? >> well, it's contempt, in a post to civil contempt. which is what we saw under trump -- was that if you helped people in criminal contempt it was just going to get referred to, bill barr's justice department. which inevitably would, most likely, take no action to actually hold these people accountable and complying with any sort of subpoena. that being said, the timeline here is really unclear, the justice department has not indicated one way or the other wet this process is going to