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associate writer -- and the veteran technology and business journalist, a contributing opinion writer at the new york times. host of the times podcast called sway. and in her spare time, she also hosts the podcast, called pivot, with our friend scott galloway. good evening and welcome to you. our kara because of today's news, i'd like to start with you. the raiders steven king, i just saw on twitter before we came on the, air noted that the three evening newscasts, all lead with the facebook outage, he said it was the definition of addiction. i would also argue this, goes to national policy, it goes to things like possible regulation. it goes to an attack on democracy. and so on. but with that in mind, and noting you know more about facebook than perhaps second only to mark zuckerberg, do you think today, do you think the

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