biden. this is a serious stuff. and if you really believe that the country is at a crisis, if you really believe that we're at some sort of challenge of democracy, which i deeply believe. and i think a lot of democrats -- a lot of americans say but a lot of democrats say if you really believe that you will find a way to come together and to help president biden pass at least some big bill here. and not -- not fight over every last thing that you want in this bill. it's essential. at a certain point good government becomes good politics. and i think it's critical for democrats going into this next election to have a series of accomplishments of which this is the center piece. >> it is essential for us to have smart friends on this broadcast. and our viewers have just heard from two of them. our thanks to juanita tolliver and stuart stevens for their