so up is down down is up, it's kind of an allison wonderland -- i'm worried that the republican party is becoming the gradual pandemic party by embracing the pandemic and kind of damn the consequences of the health problems. >> well david plouffe i want to play for you the latest from the governor desantis in florida, we'll discuss these remarks on the other side. >> i think the non-pharmaceutical interventions we've seen, remember, we were promised that it would end the pandemic, lockdown, school closures, mandates. and it just hasn't done. that this is a very transmissible virus. covid's covid is not gonna go away, i think we -- i think it's a trend that is just natural. >> we david, as i keep pointing, out this guy went to harvard and yale so maybe the coin a phrase he doesn't think where stupid is, how much is this the actions of these republican governors, going to actually