thought when the president took it under his own wing and knew how important this was -- and it was one of his missions -- to make sure he could show that he has those bipartisan stripe and is he really does. when he went out around the country, i knew we were in a pretty good zone. >> so, robert, let's talk turkey here. west virginia is going to get a lot out of this and they indeed need a lot and he can take a victory lap back home for bringing home the bacon. then there is, as michael reminds us, the matter of that $3.5 trillion mark. where do you think mr. manchin is going to end up on that? >> well, i think probably in a practical sense, he'll end up supporting something that's less than 3.5 trillion. but let me pick up on something that michael said, because i think it plays into the motivations of senator manchin and others throughout the democratic party. the components of the