president attacks the very veracity of this, the integrity of the entire process, he calls it anonymous, gutless, coward. there is a journal list tiistic of protecting people for purposes set to serve the public interest. >> that's exactly right. i would add to your point, phil, i don't know who this person is, "the new york times" editorial page does. they published his piece or her piece a year ago but the newsroom does not know or i don't know the white house team does not know, we're separate in our organization. you're right. this -- the reasoning i think that the editorial page people gave is that like the times when we used anonymous sources to provide important information for our readers, they thought this was an exception to the rule where we normally identify writers of op ed pieces, the character and writer they were talking about was sufficient