>> as someone who fought and damn near died for his country, when you hear the president say they weren't with us on omaha beach, you and i were joking about it in my office earlier tonight. how does that really strike you? >> two things. the first is, it results in the kind of decision making that we see that goes against our own interest. but it almost demonstrates an almost painful ignorance of how things have actually worked and how things have worked and i think that will contribute in a major way to the kind of understanding i just talked about. nobody is going to be -- anywhere is going to be convinced we have any idea what we're doing and that's very, very dangerous. >> tom, a two-part question for you and you will get the last word. how can this ever be set right? is it reparable? is there any winner in this situation at all? >> not for the kurds who are going to fight and die now, it