you have to be at 3% in four polls or 5% in two polls in the leadoff states. and yes by the way, you need to have 165,000 donors. so this is for november and beyond. just to give you a sense of what that might look like, the polls so far that have come out, biden, warren, sanders, harris, buttigieg, they have hit all those thresholds in the polls right now that are part of that criteria. more to come, but right now there are five who look like they will be on course to qualify for that new criteria. once you get beyond that, booker, o'rourke, yang, unclear if they can meet those thresholds. so we'll go from 10 to 11 or 12 in the next debate, but then because of what the dnc announced today, you could be down to single digits on that debate stage starting in november. new dnc rules announced today. coming up, we'll go live to des