will we look back on brexit as the first probing of the russians to see if they could not affect a democracy and the atlantic alliance? >> i think they didn't have to do that much work on brexit. they did try to influence the brexit situation, but i don't think that they had really prepared for it that much because nobody really had seen it coming. i mean, when david cameron called for this referendum, although he said he would do it, it's one of those things he's not really going to do it. and then he does it and he was sure everyone would vote let's stay in europe. at least most people would, but no. the result comes out and it's based on all kinds of things, the resentment of rural population, fears of migration, this kind of thing. and the russians tried to feed that. but where they went to work was on the united states. that we see very clearly from the mueller report.