russia and the united states. this is about the un charter. it is about the values that we all have signed on to to be members of the security council. and that they couldn't sit on the sidelines on this. they can't take a middle road. >> i'm curious to see what you think of her comments. clearly, we heard from the president. he talked in very straightforward terms about the real implications, the economic implications, the implications for world energy supplies. there are also a bigger picture that the u.s. wants to get out. both russia and the rest of the world. >> that's right. part of what struck me about those comments... i think it was a reminder, again, i mentioned this leverage and balance where vladimir putin has the military forces right there on ukraine's border. it is right next to his country. the united states is far away. what we have is -- soft power we have economic