cooperate, but at the end of the day i think that it's just a stalling tactic that maybe something to just get -- legal bills. >> go ahead. >> they might be giving him too much credit, we're talking about the guy who can't tell the difference between a hotel and a landscaping service, but you know, my gut is this is just -- >> the four seasons. okay, that leads me to the obvious question. let's say they do get some testimony. can he be considered a credible witness? >> well, you know, he's obviously got some credibility issues, but if he's giving statements essentially against his interest and has the documents to prove it as i suspect he probably does, i think that yes, it could be an explosive witness if he did come in turn to testimony. to chris, the story you started the show with, about donald trump's accounting from, same thing, there are lots and lots