mike pence, as anyone on twitter knows, but what he said today's important. i think that no matter how late people come to the party, and whatever the rationalizations are, the threat right now is so great, that when people say the right thing and speak truth in the face of these conspiracies and lies like on the attack on the capitol. hopefully he breaks through to some people. hopefully breakthrough in a way that folks on this network might not. >> well that's the opposite of what i asked simone. for republicans, what they did today, the rnc, they kept trump happy. but at what cost to the party? is there a cost to the party? >> yes, i think there is a big cost to the party when trump is in front of it going forth. i think that there is a great big group of voters right