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there is some, you know, conservative or center-right, independent and other types of voters in that mix. if they believe the big lie, how do you help them turn that corner, which gets back to the point i was making with the senator. you begin to turn the corner when the leadership is consistent from point one to point end in their discussion. you cannot tell me the thing was bad, but then on the back end say, well, i think i am going to be with the thing that's bad. and that's the problem. you don't turn that with the voters because the leadership is coming across as duplicitous. they are trying to have it both ways. what i'm saying is you don't get to have it both ways. donald trump is that existential threat from beginning to end. and if you it don't state that clearly, you'll see 70% of the voters go, they're all lying. >> and a reminder. donald trump lost the last election.

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