collapse of the soviet union 30 years ago. he thinks the new liberal international order that we dictated, talking about his view, back in 1991, was illegitimate and he wants to revise that. so when you're thinking in those terms it's hard to have rational conversations. one more thing, stephanie. he's been in power for 21 years. he's not sitting around with his advisers getting their advice. he thinks he knows everything. that, i think, almost makes him dangerous and difficult to negotiate with. >> and during those 21 years, he's become extraordinarily wealthy. he is more powerful than even he thought he could be. given that, what gives you any reason to believe that diplomacy would work. we talk about the mother of all sanctions. the mother of all sanctions are meaningless to someone who believed this is their divine purpose. >> yes. that's why, you know, i'm very nervous and as rich arld reported, thank god richard is in ukraine, by the way. can i say that to all your