ramping. of deterrence as josh is reporting and others are noting. that's a critical component to try to send the message to putin to sharpen the choice for him. this will be very costly if he moves in. >> mr. bradley, let's ignore the talking points and take us to the ukraine. you're on the ground. that is the other side of the world from where i'm sitting. what is going on there and why should people in the united states care? >> you tack about ignoring the talking points, ukrainians are kind of ignoring them. one of the most remarkable things about walking around in kyiv is how quiet it is. there aren't convoyings of cars leaving the city. nobody is headed west. it's not seen as a big deal because a lot of people here think putin is bluffing and he won't actually invade. another is, you know, ukrainians i talked to remind me this country has been at war for the past eight years in the dombas