moderates that he would be that moderate hand and also suggesting to anti-trump performing voters, independents, democrats, republicans, that joe biden was not donald trump. last night donald trump wasn't on the ballot. you saw glenn youngkin and other republicans get as much of the trump brand as they wanted to maximize the appeal but also distance themselves. and this is the critical lesson, frankly, for democrats in swing states in '22. florida democrats, pennsylvania democrats, texas democrats who think they have a shot. look at what happened in virginia last night. the republican brand without trump is a strong brand in many of those states. now, the paradox is republican candidates need trump to get through their primary. what we saw in virginia is there is a successful way to thread the needle from the primary to the general. >> kyle, the argument we hear all the time is you have to fire up the base. but the democratic base is progressives. the republican base are trumpers. neither one was the key to victory for their candidates