been very different from the way it played out and the way the president now admits he thought it would play out all along which is with chaos. >> ambassador newman, what's your reaction to what's unfolding, the scramble to get folks out of the u.s. government entity in afghanistan, to get that group out and chaos we see around the airport and on the streets and the fact that the president is saying there's no way to avoid that. >> well, that's a misstatement to be polite. the decision to leave is one thing. the execution of that decision has been absolutely abomb inable. it has been rushed. it caused part of the panic, it has added to it. the business of taking out interpreters, special immigrant visa people was kept on slow walk for several months after the withdrawal decision.