of this? given a clear cut this indictment is, given the gravity of the information we are talking about being compromised? is this a signal moment for trump supporters? should we be focused on that? >> listen, trump's hard-core base is going to be his hard-core base for the foreseeable future. what i'm looking at our, we are the big, big donors going to go? at the end of the day, the big donors basically hold their pants, and hold their checkbook's, and really try to figure out, we don't care about the incidents and politics. they want to know who is going to be in that white house, who is going to take my call and get what i needed on, and he was going to keep my taxes low. so they are sitting back right now and watching this, because when you look at what donald trump is doing, he is in a classic donald trump playbook, right? the true thing we have ever heard him say is i could shoot someone on fifth avenue and get away with it. and since then what happened? two impeachment trials, he keeps on trucking. right? he's in the white house continue to comingle his private business with being the