say it in public under oath. you are looking at where the witnesses stand and where the story is going. a lot of people on the right now alleging the bribery plot, including sondland, trump's ally. you have mulvaney who retracted and then all by himself the president. melissa murray is back with me. thank you for being here throughout our special. >> thank you. thanks for having me. >> i walked through that because cases are about evidence. a lot of the evidence is testimony. >> yes. >> what does it mean when we look on that chart and see sondland moving and trump increasingly isolated? >> he sees the the writing on the wall, bill taylor is virtually an unimpeachable, no pun intended witness, a career servant, saying i have no dog in this fight, i don't want to be on the record as wanting impeachment or not, i just want to tell the truth, and the truth, this is what i saw. all of a sudden sondland is, wait a minute, let me go back, i