as this investigation continues. >> one of the things that was hard to know in real-time and we have had you on the show more than once and always tried to get your perspective because you learn more when you check with everyone. >> absolutely. >> one of the things that is hard to figure out in real-time is is carter page a secret russian spy or a person that got swept up in this? >> yeah. >> now i want to say this in fairness to you, both the mueller report and now this lengthy document that deals with you so many times finds you being swept up. you have been cleared. and, yet, do you think that donald trump makes it harder on people like you. you were at one point advising the campaign. does he make it harder when after you get cleared he goes out and asks, as he put it, ukraine or china to investigate his opponents? because it kind of then drudges back up the idea that, while you are in the clear, donald trump seems to really want foreign