if it's one country versus another? >> i think that the entire narrative was, russia is helping trump, they wanted to move away from that, they wanted to be a different country, a different set of actors. >> take a listen to adam schiff on how this fits in. >> the president enlisted the whole departments of government in the illicit aim of trying to get ukraine to dig up dirt on a political opponent, as well as further conspiracy theory about the 2016 election that he believed would be beneficial to his re-election campaign. >> this is the wild part where it becomes about programming. one of the things we've just learned from the more detailed house testimony is the exact way they wanted to roll this out. not in 2016, when you've traced the origins, but in the bribery plot. they wanted the ukrainian president to do a television interview that would be seen in the united states, announcing this foreign investigation.