off bills. >> 16 billion pounds short still? >> no because the government are already doing something on gas and electricity bills an hour would be to pay for the package which is more generous to families and pensioners. so you've got to take into account the things that government have already done. and our package of measures is on top of that. >> so the 19 billion pounds figure what would you say? >> well we would raise around two, perhaps three billion pounds from the windfall tax. that's the additional support we would put in for gas and electricity bills to take up to 600 pounds. >> i understand that. >> we don't think this is the right time, on national insurance -- >> so how do you pay for it? >> we've said, because under national insurance, you know this. if you get your money from dealing with stocks and shares. you don't pay national insurance. if you get your money through renting out a portfolio you don't pay national insurance. how can it be right that some of those are the broad shoulders making the most money