worse, two friends traveled from cornwall to the ukraine-polish border who help translate for those affected. charlotte hobson and gavin knight are russian-speaking translators helping ukrainian refugees arrive in poland. very pleased to say that gavin and charlotte join us on the program. guys, lovely to have you on and what a fantastic story. charlotte, you're closer to me on the screen so i will come to you first. what on earth gave you the idea for this one? >> well, i've been working with russia and russian culture for -- you know, my whole life now so obviously when the war started i just felt incredibly engaged with it as so many people have. it was gavin that heard from a friend of his that russian speakers were needed on the border so he rang me up and said let's go, and we just immediately decided to go, we were gone in 24 hours, because it just -- it felt so good to be able to do something practical,