then we need to see an end to the threat to ukraine. we need a positive settlement for ukraine, guarantees ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity. who knows what might happen after that. clearly, ukraine has already been just devastated -- we've seen the appalling scenes in the cities across ukraine, and there will need to be discussions about how those -- how the rebuilding is paid for. i'm not going to speculate on exactly what will happen in the future, but we need to see those who contributed to this appalling war suffer the consequences, as i'm afraid to say, the people of ukraine have suffer the consequences. >> just go, back abramovich will be welcome back into the uk wants the war in ukraine is ended. >> i haven't send. >> i'm asking. you >> know even at the war was to end, and i fear we are not near the end, at this age. huge devastation has been