don't know the limits are, so they've left. we know wars terrible, but there are even rules and war. and killing civilians is out of bounds. bombing hospitals is a work rhyme. so people have left. they said, we don't know what to do. i spoke to people from the done bass region, and eastern ukraine. i spoken to people who come from kharkiv. they have left their families behind, their off cell service or power or water and some of these places. they don't know their families are alive because they're seeing imagery. i was interviewing two young women today, and they happen to see the ipad on which we are broadcasting msnbc, so i can see it while i was anchoring, and they saw these images of this destruction. and their hearts were breaking as they were watching it, because they didn't know is that bad. they had run now. but i also saw was a gentleman who had come. he was a deputy mayor of a little town of hungry, but not near where i am. 20 and 50 kilometers from here. he has shown up to give