he and his legal team were arguing that's immune to such legal repercussions, but this federal judge yesterday in this 112-page ruling is saying the former president is not immune. he says that trump knew exactly what he did on january 6th, everything he said, saying in this ruling that the former president's speech was "akin to telling an excited mob that corn dealers starved the poor in front of the corn dealer's home." lindsey, there's a lot to unpack and develop in this case but for the most part, this federal judge said there is enough discovery in this case to move forward towards the next phase. >> all right, allie raffa, thank you so much. for more on this, i'm joined by cynthia oxie, former msnbc analyst and barbara res, author of "tower of lies, what my 18 years of working with donald trump reveals about him." so cynthia, we'll start with you